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The solution is clear. Put a permanent rank 7 minimum rank on scenarios and make EU+ 10k extra cities as a map anyone can use.
atWar isn't full of Rank 7 players, they are actually pretty hard to find and even those interested in scenarios would play WWII or WWI.
The rest of the scenarios will just die out because of lack of interest, especially since it can take me 10 minutes to get a 2vs2 scenario full when the Rank limit is 7 and up.
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Exactly my point. Scenarios only fill when ranks 2,3,4,5,6 join. Those ranks should be in EU+ or world games or custom maps learning the fundamentals of atwar that will prepare them to be a competitive player.
I played straight EU+ and world games with the exception of a couple GoT up until rank 5. Then I played UN for two weeks and stopped immediately after those two weeks and played EU+ until I reached rank 6. I've only been a competitive player for a month now. But it was easy to become one and adapt to the extra cities after playing so many EU+ games.
evoL CW'd another clan yesterday and I had to sit out so a rank 8 could play because they were suspected of using a rank 8 alt. Spart confirmed this during the CW and the alt admitted to it. This alt of a rank 8 spammed inf in his own country creating a series of noobish walls and his expansion was sending 5 inf to Belgium. I had to sit the CW out because this 'rank 8' was playing. I mean really..
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Food for thought: Some of the "Pro" competitive players also happen to only teach their knowledge to Coalition members, and therefore, new players do not get this knowledge, seeing as they won't be accepted into a clan for competitive players only. It's a paradox: No clans can be "competitive" if they're not willing to teach newer players their ways, but they also only allow players with these skills already to join. I remember a time where we had training coalitions, which were horrid. Coalitions need to start spreading their knowledge publically, or garner an image (Not fucking google images and shitty military themes) that specialize in specific play styles so that players have a need to join and learn those styles. Or you could be like Tunder3, and just show newer players how to play, without any strings attached or asking them to join your (probable) shitty coalition.
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Mods are getting orders to police atwar muting and banning people for "trolling" and insulting
RIP Roncho
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Mods are getting orders to police atwar muting and banning people for "trolling" and insulting
RIP Roncho
rip young hommie
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They just banned Unleashed. Tunders been banned. Roncho, too? Deathof1812.
Honestly, mods. Do you even like your job? Do you hate it so much that you want to just ban the entire community? At this rate, it is likely.
Game rooms are pretty dead now. You've wiped out a core, premium and active group of dedicated atwar players who have been here for a while, some since beta. There are less games being made, less maps being created and less reason for us and even lower ranks to play.
Im getting really tired of this. Your pushy bullshit is killing a very fragile community. Are the admins aware of your insanity? Can't you just leave us alone? We don't want you, we don't like you. You don't make the gmae better, you are making it wrose. If you don't like atwar, get lost. Let us moderate ourselves without your bullshit.
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I don't want to push this type of topic. But it has to be said. Mods are completely out of touch with the community. Our head ''Mod'' doesn't even play anymore.
Last game. ''119d ago.'' Look at the other mods, they are barely ever active in games. It's understandable, we all dont have enormous amounts of time on our hands but 119 days without playing a game? How can that person remain a mod but has no interest in the game itself?
Another well known mod. 270d ago.
There are others, not just these. Who are these people? Why do they spend their time moderating a game they don't even play? Do they moderate for free? Why? Are they paid? WHy?
Why are people who no longer have any interest in the game itself still moderating minor conversations between the players themselves who have an ''ignore'' function? What is the point of this function if mods have to intervene over minor complaints which could be solved with the simplicity of clicking the ''ignore'' button. Moderators should only be needed when someone bypasses the ignore function, creates a new account to harass the person who ignored them.
''ROOM CHAT IS TOO ACTIVE''
''THEY ARE DISCUSSING POLITICS''
''SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE''
''MUTED EVERYONE IN THE VICINITY FOR 5000 MINUTES''
''SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE ON FORUM''
''PERMABAN THEM ON FORUM AND IN-GAME''
It's like Khal said, someone people can go a bit overboard. But you know how EVERYONE can fix that? With the ''ignore'' function. Why even bother having it? Really. It's a useless feature of mods are required in case someones feelings are hurt.
We have mods who don't play the game who are banning our core players. We dont have active admins so we dont get any of the changes we ask for and if we do, it takes a whole year if not longer. And you know what the reply to this message from a mod will be?
Either a locked thread or I'll be told to leave if I don't like it. That's their eternal response. If you don't like it, then leave.
Don't like it, LEAVE.
GET OUT. GO ON. WE DONT CARE. GET LOST.
These people dont care about our game, our community or its future. They dont play and they have deep grudges. Moderation needs a re haul.
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4 scenarios in the first page alone.
The solution is clear. Put a permanent rank 7 minimum rank on scenarios and make EU+ 10k extra cities as a map anyone can use.
I am sure they are playing to have fun, not be an absolute leader in the community. Therefor, why should you be able to dictate what they should be able to play and do? Not to mention you took that screenshot at an off hour where no one in beginner lobby was playing scenarios. Majority of the time they have a few going.
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I can do nothing else but lol at this kind of threads. It is late 2013 now, I started preaching this shit here more than two years ago.
I don't care how many times I left, how many premium accounts I deleted, how many of my old friends left this game (RIP whole SRB but Desu), I still believe this all can be fixed, yet no one wants to listen.
khal.eesi is right of course, but let me revive my version of a how-to-fix-atWar:
1. Implement RATED TEAM GAMES. I asked for this 24 months ago and things would be a lot better now if this would have been implemented back then.
2. Make COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY the MOST PROFITABLE way of playing atWar. TRIPLE the SP gained by 1v1 and 3v3 Europe+ team games. Give out titles for higher Elo, color the rank symbol of higher ranked players. I made enough proposals in this direction.
3. Put Europe+ 10k 100+ cities as the standard map. Instead of giving new players lots of possible scenarios and other shit let them FIRST LEARN THE GAME by playing the standards. This will work better than any tutorial. After players reached rank 4 they can play other games.
This WILL WORK because it directs players in the right direction, makes them more skilled and hence they will more likely stick with the competitive scene and become even better. The better a player, the higher the possibility that he will stay and advertise the game, be it online or at his highschool.
4. With this you give the best of us reasons to stay.
I deleted accounts with a total of more than 800000 SP, this may seem silly but I had my reasons. This game is NO FUN to me anymore, and this is because it lacks challenge. I myself am highly competitive, and what makes me stick with a game is the certainty that whenever I log in, I will find someone equally skilled as me with whom I can practice.
I just don't have this here anymore. The number of players who have a higher than 30% chance of beating me is less than five, and these aren't always online at the same time as me.
By strengthening the competitive scene you would create better players, who are more likely to stay, and by doing so you also give the players who are already near their peak a reason to stay because they have others to play with. => MORE PROFIT FOR YOU AND THE GAME STOPS TO FUCKING VEG OUT!!!!!!!!!
Please.
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Beautifull posts..tik and cow my new heroes
also when did unleashed manage to get banned and why lol.he was right here a few hours ago..lol
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^wtf happened with unleashed?
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Eshkruar nga Guest, 27.09.2013 at 18:37
I can do nothing else but lol at this kind of threads. It is late 2013 now, I started preaching this shit here more than two years ago.
I don't care how many times I left, how many premium accounts I deleted, how many of my old friends left this game (RIP whole SRB but Desu), I still believe this all can be fixed, yet no one wants to listen.
khal.eesi is right of course, but let me revive my version of a how-to-fix-atWar:
1. Implement RATED TEAM GAMES. I asked for this 24 months ago and things would be a lot better now if this would have been implemented back then.
2. Make COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY the MOST PROFITABLE way of playing atWar. TRIPLE the SP gained by 1v1 and 3v3 Europe+ team games. Give out titles for higher Elo, color the rank symbol of higher ranked players. I made enough proposals in this direction.
3. Put Europe+ 10k 100+ cities as the standard map. Instead of giving new players lots of possible scenarios and other shit let them FIRST LEARN THE GAME by playing the standards. This will work better than any tutorial. After players reached rank 4 they can play other games.
This WILL WORK because it directs players in the right direction, makes them more skilled and hence they will more likely stick with the competitive scene and become even better. The better a player, the higher the possibility that he will stay and advertise the game, be it online or at his highschool.
4. With this you give the best of us reasons to stay.
I deleted accounts with a total of more than 800000 SP, this may seem silly but I had my reasons. This game is NO FUN to me anymore, and this is because it lacks challenge. I myself am highly competitive, and what makes me stick with a game is the certainty that whenever I log in, I will find someone equally skilled as me with whom I can practice.
I just don't have this here anymore. The number of players who have a higher than 30% chance of beating me is less than five, and these aren't always online at the same time as me.
By strengthening the competitive scene you would create better players, who are more likely to stay, and by doing so you also give the players who are already near their peak a reason to stay because they have others to play with. => MORE PROFIT FOR YOU AND THE GAME STOPS TO FUCKING VEG OUT!!!!!!!!!
Please.
I miss you Cacao. That being said, fucking brilliant argument.
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Unleashed? Banned? Well he deserves it. He always was an a-hole to everyone.
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I agree with everything you said cacao.
Except for the minimum requirement for scenarios. Rank 4 is technically what rank people start playing scenarios at. Both of the pics I posted were within a minute of each other. Ranks 0-3 don't play scenarios much. When they do it's maybe 4 people and they treat the scenario as a different world map and still battle/expand as they would in a default map. Rank 6 at least should be the minimum.
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Thanks for the kind words khaleesi and Terminal. This sums it all up pretty much. Cow's suggestion for ranked 3 v 3 play might be the best way forward since I don't see any easy solution to cwing.
Eshkruar nga Guest, 27.09.2013 at 18:37
I can do nothing else but lol at this kind of threads. It is late 2013 now, I started preaching this shit here more than two years ago.
I don't care how many times I left, how many premium accounts I deleted, how many of my old friends left this game (RIP whole SRB but Desu), I still believe this all can be fixed, yet no one wants to listen.
khal.eesi is right of course, but let me revive my version of a how-to-fix-atWar:
1. Implement RATED TEAM GAMES. I asked for this 24 months ago and things would be a lot better now if this would have been implemented back then.
2. Make COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY the MOST PROFITABLE way of playing atWar. TRIPLE the SP gained by 1v1 and 3v3 Europe+ team games. Give out titles for higher Elo, color the rank symbol of higher ranked players. I made enough proposals in this direction.
3. Put Europe+ 10k 100+ cities as the standard map. Instead of giving new players lots of possible scenarios and other shit let them FIRST LEARN THE GAME by playing the standards. This will work better than any tutorial. After players reached rank 4 they can play other games.
This WILL WORK because it directs players in the right direction, makes them more skilled and hence they will more likely stick with the competitive scene and become even better. The better a player, the higher the possibility that he will stay and advertise the game, be it online or at his highschool.
4. With this you give the best of us reasons to stay.
I deleted accounts with a total of more than 800000 SP, this may seem silly but I had my reasons. This game is NO FUN to me anymore, and this is because it lacks challenge. I myself am highly competitive, and what makes me stick with a game is the certainty that whenever I log in, I will find someone equally skilled as me with whom I can practice.
I just don't have this here anymore. The number of players who have a higher than 30% chance of beating me is less than five, and these aren't always online at the same time as me.
By strengthening the competitive scene you would create better players, who are more likely to stay, and by doing so you also give the players who are already near their peak a reason to stay because they have others to play with. => MORE PROFIT FOR YOU AND THE GAME STOPS TO FUCKING VEG OUT!!!!!!!!!
Please.
The only thing that needs to be added is:
4. Remove VRIL as mod. Because when I read between the lines of every complaint about moderators abusing their powers I just hear VRIL's name. All the other mods (with the exception of inactivity) are doing a fine job. Hdrakon (my mentor) left because of him and ultimately so did I. I don't know who else but I'm sure there are others. Because I can't be interested in investing time in a game knowing someone has the power to take it away with little or no justification. A few months ago I had my global chat and ability to post in forums permanently removed because I appropriately called Tunder a noob in a post. I went to Ivan to get them restored since I wasn't going to begging to VRIL. I respect the history he has with AtWar but if no one wants to address the elephant in the room I will. VRIL should not be a moderator.
When I hear of other players who have been permanently banned I just can't imagine what they could have done? Did one of them call a moderator up on their home phone number? Ok perma banned. But anything short of that, why not a week long ban? Why not a 2 day ban?
Well, co-sign with pretty much everything said in this thread except for Skitz saying Unleashed deserved a permaban. Maybe Ivan and Amok will catch a second wind and make some necessary changes. Until then gl hf.
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While I agree with your opinion that VRIL shouldn't be a mod I am strongly suggesting you don't discuss this here. The other moderators won't listen and the thread will be closed faster than you can write 'this is what i meant'.
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Haha, this is a beautiful little moment. For the first time I support everything TikTok said, Cow and I are in agreement, and I'm defending Unleashed. Huehuehue. Good stuff!
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Eshkruar nga Guest, 27.09.2013 at 18:37
I can do nothing else but lol at this kind of threads. It is late 2013 now, I started preaching this shit here more than two years ago.
I don't care how many times I left, how many premium accounts I deleted, how many of my old friends left this game (RIP whole SRB but Desu), I still believe this all can be fixed, yet no one wants to listen.
khal.eesi is right of course, but let me revive my version of a how-to-fix-atWar:
1. Implement RATED TEAM GAMES. I asked for this 24 months ago and things would be a lot better now if this would have been implemented back then.
2. Make COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY the MOST PROFITABLE way of playing atWar. TRIPLE the SP gained by 1v1 and 3v3 Europe+ team games. Give out titles for higher Elo, color the rank symbol of higher ranked players. I made enough proposals in this direction.
3. Put Europe+ 10k 100+ cities as the standard map. Instead of giving new players lots of possible scenarios and other shit let them FIRST LEARN THE GAME by playing the standards. This will work better than any tutorial. After players reached rank 4 they can play other games.
Please.
cow is right. Afterwind is going downstairs the last few month. A lot of high players stopped playing.
Point 1 & 2 should be a high priority. The first part of Point 3 too, the second parts would care to many beginners.
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this are wise words:
"This WILL WORK because it directs players in the right direction, makes them more skilled and hence they will more likely stick with the competitive scene and become even better. The better a player, the higher the possibility that he will stay and advertise the game, be it online or at his highschool.
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Eshkruar nga Tik-Tok, 27.09.2013 at 17:04
They just banned Unleashed. Tunders been banned. Roncho, too? Deathof1812.
Honestly, mods. Do you even like your job? Do you hate it so much that you want to just ban the entire community? At this rate, it is likely.
Game rooms are pretty dead now. You've wiped out a core, premium and active group of dedicated atwar players who have been here for a while, some since beta. There are less games being made, less maps being created and less reason for us and even lower ranks to play.
Im getting really tired of this. Your pushy bullshit is killing a very fragile community. Are the admins aware of your insanity? Can't you just leave us alone? We don't want you, we don't like you. You don't make the gmae better, you are making it wrose. If you don't like atwar, get lost. Let us moderate ourselves without your bullshit.
Unleashed is banned? finally! Now we can play games without him hating on us, atWar will finally have friendly and normal atmosphere after a long time.
Moderators are helpful and normal towards players, but trolls cannot be tolerated Tik. Admins made rules, you agreed to them when you made account. NO TROLLING. Violation of rules pulls warning/mute/ban, so stop crying. Without trolls this game will be much better, WAY better, i cant wait to see atWar getting awards for best strategy game, large community, best game overall, game choice by ***** and etc etc. But to see that, moderators will have to clean the community from trolls first, so we can actually play the game and show the world what a great game this is.
The thing is, if you want to get rid of trolls, you must ban everybody below rank 8.
Unleashed hated on noobs because he was tired of the current "quit turn 1" community, just think about it: games are hard to fill, once full somebody quits turn 1, if you are lucky and it dosn't happen then you get teamed up with a rank 8 that dosn't know how to wall and cost you the game.
Have you ever see how unleashed behaves when playing in game with pros againts pros? He acts very polite and blames himself if something happens (yes unleashed blames himself)
Yes he has grudges and is biased sometimes, but even you have vendettas againts people (tik-tok).
Now stop being a arrogant asshat and at least fake remorse.
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The only thing that needs to be added is:
4. Remove VRIL as mod. Because when I read between the lines of every complaint about moderators abusing their powers I just hear VRIL's name. All the other mods (with the exception of inactivity) are doing a fine job. Hdrakon left because of him and ultimately so did I. I don't know who else but I'm sure there are others. Because I can't be interested in investing time in a game knowing someone has the power to take it away with little or no justification. A few months ago I had my global chat and ability to post in forums permanently removed because I appropriately called Tunder a noob in a post. I went to Ivan to get them restored since I wasn't going to begging to VRIL. I respect the history he has with AtWar but if no one wants to address the elephant in the room I will. VRIL should not be a moderator.
When I hear of other players who have been permanently banned I just can't imagine what they could have done? Did one of them call a moderator up on their home phone number? Ok perma banned. But anything short of that, why not a week long ban? Why not a 2 day ban?
Well, co-sign with pretty much everything said in this thread except for Skitz saying Unleashed deserved a permaban. Maybe Ivan and Amok will catch a second wind and make some necessary changes. Until then gl hf.
Eshkruar nga Guest, 28.09.2013 at 04:08
While I agree with your opinion that VRIL shouldn't be a mod I am strongly suggesting you don't discuss this here. The other moderators won't listen and the thread will be closed faster than you can write 'this is what i meant'.
i agree with thunderballs and glorious cacow
remove the guy who lead this game to downfall from the staff because he is allways on hunt mode when he is online banning players because of personal problem for ever jeez
he already pushed away the core players of this game dont be surprised when he start with his frenzy mode after deciding to quit and ban all mods and admins deleting topics, etc...
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i agree with thunderballs and glorious cacow
remove the guy who lead this game to downfall from the staff because he is allways on hunt mode when he is online banning players because of personal problem for ever jeez
I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously and I don't think people are going to start treating you seriously either until you come out of your shell with your main account and express your opinions the right way. Vril is a mod, and mods were made by admins to crack down on players who abuse the rules. If you abuse the rules, you will be punished. That's the message we're being sent here and players should stick by it, as Cossack rightly said above. I think the mods have been lenient for too long, thank god they've recognised that now and policing AW the right way.
Before I met this game, I used to play another Multiplayer game where the banning system was even harsh.
1) If you abuse the rules for the first time, you get a short mute. Short as in not 5 mins but maybe 30 mins to 1 hour.
2) If you repeat this behaviour, you have a slightly longer mute where your looking at 1-3 hours.
3) You're slightly pushing it now, you may get a 24 hour mute or banned for the day.
4) Last chance, temporary ban for a month.
5) Permanent ban and the mods won't even think twice about it.
These rules were kept, no changes and the mods stuck by it. The community there was clean and 99.9% troll free. You should be thankful we don't have that awful system here, the mods treat us like friends and they do show some remorse.
I agree with all of Cossacks posts, players here need to start thinking about how they behave from here onwards.
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Eshkruar nga Guest, 28.09.2013 at 11:44
Before I met this game, I used to play another Multiplayer game where the banning system was even harsh.
DOTA?
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Eshkruar nga Guest, 28.09.2013 at 11:44
I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously and I don't think people are going to start treating you seriously either until you come out of your shell with your main account and express your opinions the right way. Vril is a mod, and mods were made by admins to crack down on players who abuse the rules. If you abuse the rules, you will be punished. That's the message we're being sent here and players should stick by it, as Cossack rightly said above. I think the mods have been lenient for too long, thank god they've recognised that now and policing AW the right way.
ofcourse this game canot use that kind of system because this game will die quickly
this game have far less players than "that game" you used to play and because of that the current moderation actions are set this way to customize it
they must be lenient most of the time to keep this game running
i am not complaining on the other moderators because they have done and still doing a fine job but a bit less active
i only pointed out that vril is danger for this game although he disguise himself as an assistant because of what he do as moderator when he is bored
ps; stop being ass kisser of vril all over the forum you maggot
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ps; stop being ass kisser of vril all over the forum you maggot
LOL, I'm rolling so hard right now. You mad bro, you mad.
The game won't die, it will lose the Old Guard sooner or later yes, but it won't die. The new generation (albeit a bit terribad at playing) will replace the Old Guard.
It's players like you who get banned and start crying over it. Grow a pair, dude.
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There is ONLY ONE PROBLEM here, people talk too much about negative and fault the admids.
This. Just this. 5/5 line, well said Clovis.
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i only pointed out that vril is danger for this game although he disguise himself as an assistant because of what he do as moderator when he is bored
You're not pointing out anything because you don't have any valid evidence to back up your point. Please stop spilling autism all over the forums and go home you muppet.
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I only play afterwind to have FUN not to play a game call 3v3 and be the best player...
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Please stay on topic with your posts and do not flame guys. The people this is aimed at know very well who I am talking about. If it continues, I will have to lock the thread.
Cheers!
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"In this game, everyone is hated."
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Cheers to you too spartacus
admins review glorious cacow suggestion and if possible answer here what can be implemented from cacow suggestions so we can look forward to these great rated team games or competitive game play or all of them together
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