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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

28.09.2016 - 12:13
Eshkruar nga Pheonixking929, 28.09.2016 at 12:07

Eshkruar nga Labienus, 28.09.2016 at 08:30

Titus Labienus stay home and keep his province neutral and safe.He don't want to participate to this bath of blood beetween roman brothers





Choose a side those who stay in the middle of the road get run over


Phoenix, my dear friend, How dare You betray the republic even when we had supper under the same roof, one day before the rebellion...
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28.09.2016 - 12:21
I love the fact that everyone has taken on a Star Wars theme <3
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28.09.2016 - 12:23
Eshkruar nga Aetius, 28.09.2016 at 11:44

Eshkruar nga Phoenix, 28.09.2016 at 11:36

Erm, no, I tried to do something about it, but Aetius riged the assassination, I gave my card to meester to kill him after I wasted his body gaurds. They wouldn't have rebelled without Aetius, that's why he did it, to end the game . .


You're so pathetic now man go away you aren't even in the game anymore. "rigging" the assassination , you would have failed even harder without the card. Also even if you gave it to meester, you already hit me first, only one assassination against a person per turn and I left rome after that. Nothing would have changed no matter what you did you are just so butthurt and frankly sucked at this game. Now spectate quietly like a good boy, you are ruining everyone elses fun.


1 assassination against a player per turn?

Why do I feel like that's a new rule?

Perhaps because in the last game there were 2 attempts on a player In a single turn... I think that player was me...

I know it would have been suicide, it was intentional, I had less to lose than you.

I might suck at this game but I'm employed, I have a girlfriend and I know what it feels like to get laid. I also don't need to win by ally fagging half the fucking players in the game. I don't care about "winning" pointless battles.

I have no time for you while you're acting like a poor winner, you don't own the forums, ignore me or talk sense.
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28.09.2016 - 12:26
Eshkruar nga Darth., 28.09.2016 at 12:21

I love the fact that everyone has taken on a Star Wars theme <3

Only the dark side has
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28.09.2016 - 12:30
 JF.
Disband bodyguard. +3 equite roll. Rest to rome.

Also make army Co leader if possible
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28.09.2016 - 12:34
Eshkruar nga Phoenix, 28.09.2016 at 12:23


1 assassination against a player per turn?

Why do I feel like that's a new rule?

Perhaps because in the last game there were 2 attempts on a player In a single turn... I think that player was me...

I know it would have been suicide, it was intentional, I had less to lose than you.

I might suck at this game but I'm employed, I have a girlfriend and I know what it feels like to get laid. I also don't need to win by ally fagging half the fucking players in the game. I don't care about "winning" pointless battles.

I have no time for you while you're acting like a poor winner, you don't own the forums, ignore me or talk sense.

You're missing the entire point of the game... infact you've been missing it ever since t1.
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28.09.2016 - 12:36
Lars Pedius and his daughter Floridia make their way from their house to the Senate room. On the way, Floridia asks her father another question.
"What is to become of the state of Rome?" Lars didn't reply. The two continue to walk when, again, Floridia asks "What is to become of the state of Rome?"

Lars finally replied, "The senators are very weak. We need funds in order to build fleets and legions. I have a good sum of money, which I will donate to the Senate. If we survive the rebels, we will be recognized. If we don't donate the money, we will probably die."

Floridia looked back at her father, "What promise do you have that we will survive the rebels?" "Nothing is promised to us," was her fathers reply. Floridia saw as her fathers men who went to serve the people of Rome marched away. She turned from the path with her father and followed them instead.

Lars cried out, Floridia! Where are you going?" Floridia turned and said, "To join the rebellion."
Floridia walked away...


(Donate all money to Senate, sell any Equites i have for money and donate that money to the Senate as well.)
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28.09.2016 - 12:47
Eshkruar nga Zenith, 28.09.2016 at 12:36


Dude....that's beautiful.
Are you on SB or SV?
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28.09.2016 - 12:59
All my money goes to Triumvirate Treasury

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28.09.2016 - 13:00
Eshkruar nga Zenith, 28.09.2016 at 12:36


Made me cry
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28.09.2016 - 13:02
Donate all of my money to Rome
Marcus for name
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28.09.2016 - 13:02
Eshkruar nga Google, 28.09.2016 at 13:00

Eshkruar nga Zenith, 28.09.2016 at 12:36


Made me cry

Agreed.
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28.09.2016 - 13:17
Eshkruar nga Zephyrusu, 28.09.2016 at 12:34

Eshkruar nga Phoenix, 28.09.2016 at 12:23


1 assassination against a player per turn?

Why do I feel like that's a new rule?

Perhaps because in the last game there were 2 attempts on a player In a single turn... I think that player was me...

I know it would have been suicide, it was intentional, I had less to lose than you.

I might suck at this game but I'm employed, I have a girlfriend and I know what it feels like to get laid. I also don't need to win by ally fagging half the fucking players in the game. I don't care about "winning" pointless battles.

I have no time for you while you're acting like a poor winner, you don't own the forums, ignore me or talk sense.

You're missing the entire point of the game... infact you've been missing it ever since t1.


In the original version of this game there are 3/4 factions, bringing more balance. When one faction gets too strong the others work against it, just like populares and potestatem did in the first 5 turns against Gows faction. This game, with one faction having more than half the players and only 2 factions is unbalanced.

If I cared about playing this still I would have gone into exile upon being trialled.

But the fact is I don't care, you think I don't see the point of the game? I challenge you to tell me what the point of playing this is now. Its an interpretation of a functional board game. While a lot of effort was put into it, key rules and elements of the original have been left out, spoiling the competitive nature of it.

Another example besides having a faction per player (who controls multiple characters within his faction) is that rebellions are suppose to be able to buy intrigue cards which raise the unrest level... They have been totally left out here. We also don't have a definition of who is supposed to win come t50 provided no rebellion succeeds.

For those who don't see that Populares have won already, they can afford to maintain their army for about 4 turns. Even if you stave them off with naval units, you wont be able to defend against them as they walk through Illyria and then cisalpine Gaul. You will struggle to raise a decent army in that time, not to mention. They will be able to invade other provinces and appoint governors to those provinces, raising their revenues.

So I suggest you save your energy, concede and remake a more functional version of this game.
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28.09.2016 - 13:27
Eshkruar nga Phoenix, 28.09.2016 at 13:17


But the fact is I don't care, you think I don't see the point of the game? I challenge you to tell me what the point of playing this is now. Its an interpretation of a functional board game. While a lot of effort was put into it, key rules and elements of the original have been left out, spoiling the competitive nature of it.

saying "oh you allyfagged to win" is stupid considering the whole point of the game is to convince and use people to further your goals.
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28.09.2016 - 13:28
Eshkruar nga Darth., 28.09.2016 at 12:21

I love the fact that everyone has taken on a Star Wars theme <3

There was a star wars marathon on Sunday (I had off from work and didn't know what to do with my time) and I just remembered vader saying this in episode 4 and just knew I had to use it
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28.09.2016 - 14:00
Eshkruar nga Pheonixking929, 28.09.2016 at 12:07

Eshkruar nga Labienus, 28.09.2016 at 08:30

Titus Labienus stay home and keep his province neutral and safe.He don't want to participate to this bath of blood beetween roman brothers





Choose a side those who stay in the middle of the road get run over

If the Senatebecome a threat to my interest in cisalpine Gaul Titus Labienus will join the revolt be aware of me
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28.09.2016 - 14:01
Eshkruar nga Zephyrusu, 28.09.2016 at 13:27

Eshkruar nga Phoenix, 28.09.2016 at 13:17


But the fact is I don't care, you think I don't see the point of the game? I challenge you to tell me what the point of playing this is now. Its an interpretation of a functional board game. While a lot of effort was put into it, key rules and elements of the original have been left out, spoiling the competitive nature of it.

saying "oh you allyfagged to win" is stupid considering the whole point of the game is to convince and use people to further your goals.


Oh please... There's using others to further your goals and then there's twisting the original game rules to allow a faction to have over half the playing field.

We already established that it defeats the point of the game because a faction that does this can so easily rebel and hoard the vote ... This was about 6 turns ago, and looks what's happening....

Its not a competitive game, so there is no point in playing. I've seen Turks play world 50k with higher odds stacked against them
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28.09.2016 - 14:03
Also I'm levying auxilaes to protect my lands from anyone who will attempt to attack Cisalpine
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28.09.2016 - 14:07
Eshkruar nga Labienus, 28.09.2016 at 14:00

If the Senatebecome a threat to my interest in cisalpine Gaul Titus Labienus will join the revolt be aware of me


Can't join the revolt once you have rejected to participate, the Senate can do whatever it wants with you now
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28.09.2016 - 14:07
 Witch-Doctor (moderator)
All money to rebellion.

New first name

Kato
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28.09.2016 - 14:23
Eshkruar nga Pyrrhus, 28.09.2016 at 14:07

Eshkruar nga Labienus, 28.09.2016 at 14:00

If the Senatebecome a threat to my interest in cisalpine Gaul Titus Labienus will join the revolt be aware of me


Can't join the revolt once you have rejected to participate, the Senate can do whatever it wants with you now

Good to know you didn't actually want to remain loyal though.... death to traitors.
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28.09.2016 - 14:32
Eshkruar nga Google, 28.09.2016 at 14:23

Eshkruar nga Pyrrhus, 28.09.2016 at 14:07

Eshkruar nga Labienus, 28.09.2016 at 14:00

If the Senatebecome a threat to my interest in cisalpine Gaul Titus Labienus will join the revolt be aware of me


Can't join the revolt once you have rejected to participate, the Senate can do whatever it wants with you now

Good to know you didn't actually want to remain loyal though.... death to traitors.


My fellow Senator, let us focus our forces on quenching the rebellion, rather than fighting neutrals.
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28.09.2016 - 15:03
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28.09.2016 - 16:25
Ok updated donations to senate treasury

I donate all my money to rebel treasury.

As for phoenix ramblings the only good point he brought up was factions, if ever remade would limit factions to 5 players but realize this wouldn't be that game changing. Instead of one party being in charge it would be a coalition of two until one faction amassed enough votes to no longer need it. The one law that seems to be universal in life as well as in this game is that wealth and power tends to naturally concentrate over time and there is not much anyone can do to artificially counter it. Revolting is quite hard as it is btw, took us a long time to prepare this after running the senate for most of the mid republic and we are not exactly certain of success here.
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28.09.2016 - 16:27
Donated all shekels to rebel treasury
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28.09.2016 - 16:57
 JF.
Change mine to all to rome
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28.09.2016 - 17:28
 JF.
Why do we not have info on the rebel bank
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28.09.2016 - 17:29
All mein to the rebel cause
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28.09.2016 - 17:38
Eshkruar nga JF., 28.09.2016 at 17:28

Why do we not have info on the rebel bank


Was posted last phase we had 133 Talents, spent 130 on raising troops.
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28.09.2016 - 17:47
All talents to the liberation
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