04.12.2018 - 09:51
Tbh I agree with that, a country can't allow an unlimited amount of migrants a year. Skilled ones need to be let in, as unskilled are a strain to the economy. Just stick with that point though lol, why do you need to have racism accompany it. Nothing wrong with immigration control, but racism gives everyone who believes in it a bad name
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04.12.2018 - 09:53
Okay, so facts are now racist? It's racist to believe that evolution didn't stop above the neck?
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04.12.2018 - 10:24
It racist to assume the color of your skin determines your mental acuity and productivity.
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04.12.2018 - 10:48
There you go again buddy. You're giving everyone in Germany a bad name
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04.12.2018 - 11:14
Tirpitz here is a serious question for you to consider. Say you are in charge of immigration and you have to decide whether people get visas or not. How will you determine if they should gain entry? How will you ultimately decide their worth to your country? The color of their skin? Other "race" characteristic such as skull shape and eyes? Do they have blonde hair blue eyes? Do they have unattached earlobes? Are you going to use the nuremberg laws? Now if you're going to answer something along the lines of: I would contemplate their education and work history. What if two individuals had the same level of education and are both experienced in their particular industry. The only difference is their race. If you had to pick ONLY ONE person to admit to your country, how will you make your choice.
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04.12.2018 - 15:46
That is such a small chance that will ever happen but if it does flip a coin.
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04.12.2018 - 15:58
Small chance in a world of a billion means almost certainty.
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04.12.2018 - 16:04
But if it does you do a lottery.
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04.12.2018 - 16:23
Education and work history don't really matter that much btw. (this is based on psychological findings) Let me first define what I deem important for my country, because some people tend to define economical success as if that was everything. Whats important to me, besides direct economic impact: I care wether someone is Violent, wether someone is a criminal and wether some population that comes in will affect the country politically in a way that nobody in that country wants, like implementing sharia law (one isn't an opinion I'm too certain about though, since it could become a tyranic policy) and to me personally it is important, that the country keeps its special character. So, to all of these factors there are genetic and environmental factors. How violent someone is, is partly environmental, f.e. if your father beat you every day you're more likely to be violent, but they are also partly genetic. Some people will just be more prone to violence, even if they were brought up in the exact same manner. If you deny this, you're denying basic psychology. These factors differ between the races, and between nationalities, and they differ, even when you control for the environment via twin studies again, if you deny this, you're denying basic psychology. Now, if some group, call it a race if you want, has a higher amount of violent people, and a lower amount of nonviolent people, than some other group, then, wouldn't it make sense to not allow these people to migrate into your country? Yes, I would not allow a more violent group to move to my country, at least not in high numbers. Now, I can argue the same thing for a lot of psychological variables that affect some persons economic effect on my country, like ability to delay gratification, conscientiousness and, yes, IQ. These differ between people, and between "races". Now, if this person I could let in has a lower IQ, a higher agressiveness, a lower conscientiousness and a lower ability to delay gratification, but the same credentials as some other person I could let in from another group, I would let in the other person, Obviously. Now, wouldn't it make sense, that if one of these people is from a group, that is worse on all of those psychological variables, and the other person just is from one that is better on all of them, to then let in the one who is from the group with the better values on average? Look, this is a completely rational policy. All I'm saying is, this is reality and we can allow people who are more likely or less likely to rape your wife. Call me racist all you want, but that wont make people less violent, or more hard working.
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04.12.2018 - 18:38
nice regressive sjw cri that promotes the non-use of our full of capabilities brains. why you create new definitions for words? ![]() You want to abolish the oldest gateway to progress, critical thinking and data analysis. Regressive fascists disguised in liberal uniforms is what you are. ![]() This is what we use to reach conclusions, not your feelings or your anecdotal experiences from that time you went to the park. ![]() The left doesnt get to dictate what is offensive and what is not. Some of us still like to use our brains and figure this out for ourselves. Now try to convince me why my son who will be born in 4 months has to compete for oxygen and resources with extremists, criminals, thugs and regressive sjw losers?
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04.12.2018 - 18:40
So how does any of this prove that judging people by the color of their skin is not racist?
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04.12.2018 - 18:50
how do they not matter? what psychological findings? could you give me the sources?
sure, immigrants who are criminals should not be allowed in the country. i don't think any western country will ever implement full sharia law. what defines a country's special character? from what you've wrote, it seems as if whiteness is the only special character that you want.
sure, behavioral genes do exist; however, claiming that certain races have more of these "violent" genes than other races is not only a ridiculous claim, but also a non biological one as well. you claim that this is basic psychology, but genes have nothing to do with psychology? i mean if you can provide sources for these outrageous claims please do so.
do you think racial profiling is fine?
basically, you are attributing lower IQ, higher aggressiveness, lower conscientiousness and a lower ability to delay gratification to blacks. then with this basis, you say that this is a completely rational policy? i think you are absolutely stupid and have no knowledge on genes, IQ and etc. you bring up data and interpret them in very nonsensical ways. when i ask you for sources, you rarely provide them and the ones you do show only end up contradicting your points. you are literally saying that blacks are dumber than other races. so please stop crying when people call you racist.
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04.12.2018 - 18:56
Because its not stemming from superiority, which is the driving force behind racism, for starters. As for the rest: ![]() I fail to see any discrimination, we are not in the 1950's if anything it is the opposite with policies like open borders and sanctuary to criminals (illegal immigrants), affirmative action, wellfare and public acceptance of racially-driven terrorist organizations like antifa and black lives matter. ![]() Analysis of statistics and logical reasoning to reach conclusions is the way to form opinions, i will agree with the dictionary here. ![]() The only hostilities and polemics i see, are coming the other way around, from the minorities and the left. It seems the left is guilty of all the aforementioned, you guys are racist.
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04.12.2018 - 19:13
Lol all the things you are quoting were applied to Jewish people pre-1950s. Are you really so short-sighted that you've forgotten the evils that were done to Jewish people in the name of "scientific racism"? I assume you are Jewish, as you put your nationality down as Israeli. Even today people make completely ridiculous and racist arguments against Jewish people via twisted statistics and data; hell, the neo-nazis hate Jewish people even more than they hate black people
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04.12.2018 - 20:07
I cant remember something i never lived to experience, nor will i ever apologise for something i didnt do. I wasnt born then. I have read about it, just like i have read about socialism, communism and marxism whose ideas are still very much alive to this day, whilst nazism is dead. Its usually the uneducated people who get stuck on ideologies, pick sides and advocate for the causes of only a specific group. If you read history, you will see that Jewish or black lives are not special, the millions of Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Koreans, Venezuelans who died under communism's boot are equally important. Native Americans and Polynesians too. Chinese under Japanese too, Budhists under Chinese too, the Middle eastern people murdered and raped by Muhamad army of peace aswell. The Greeks and Armenians genocided by Turks. And i could go on forever. Stop chasing neo-nazi ghosts in 2019, stop talking all day for the 0,001% out of 7 billion. Thats what they want you to do. Stop being the victim and take control of your own life.
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04.12.2018 - 20:50
All I'm saying is that racism is bad lol. I agree with the not being a victim part however. Living a successful way is the best way to handle life
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04.12.2018 - 21:28
Because you want sources, let me just quote Wikipedia for IQ: In the United States, individuals identifying themselves as Asian tend to have higher average IQ scores than do Caucasians, who, in turn, have higher average IQs than African Americans. Nevertheless, greater variation in IQ scores exists within each ethnic group than between them.[47] Also this is the case for any African group, and East Asian group anywhere else, unless that group was severely malnourished and/or didn't learn to read. https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png Other than that: Big five(includes conscientiousness): https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/richard-lynn-and-the-evolution-of-conscientiousness.pdf Self control/ability to delay gratification: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/06/11/racial-differences-in-self-control/ Now, with agressiveness I used slightly sloppy language, but if I wanted I could just send you FBI statistics, that show, that African Americans have much higher violent crime statistics than whites. But I did get some studies, that talk about things like "social agressiveness", just for you <3: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8444771 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2747367/ This one is almost perfect, but it unfortunately only talks about blacks and Hispanics, but can you guess which group is less agressive? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383599/ On the different politics of other races: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2018/08/10/on-non-white-republicans/ Oh and for my claim that Job success isn't predicted too well by education: https://business.financialpost.com/executive/careers/the-biggest-predictor-of-career-success-not-skills-or-education-but-emotional-intelligence Just give a man an IQ test, you'll know more about his job performance afterwards, than if you put him in a University for 5 years. Now, having gotten that out of the way and having quoted infinitely more sources than you have, I would really like to ask you to provide one fucking source that shows, that all races are the same in the brain. BECAUSE FOR FUCKS SAKE, they have been living apart for 70 000 years under different evolutionary pressures, believing, that they evolved the exact same mental characteristics is FUCKING CREATIONISM. If you refuse to provide me with any source, I will stop arguing with you, since it clearly would be useless.
Did you ever travel through Europe? Driving 40 km in some direction anywhere over here will get you into a different culture. Different dialects, different foods, different customs and different architecture. I don't want to lose this. You can already see, that the different German cultures are slowly fading away. I, by now, only speak the boring and bland "high German" that developed from the Hannoveranian accent. I want to make sure, that this cultural diversity keeps existing. Of course it's only cultural, Belgians don't genetically differ from the Dutch, not in any way significantly, that is. But still, I only want amounts of migration that make sure, that migrants can be completely assimilated within a single generation, which currently isn't happening in Germany.
This is exactly what twin studies were meant to do. You look at monozygotic and dizygotic twins. Then you compare the two groups and look at how much more similar a 50% increase in genetic similarity makes a population. This is how psychologists estimate the heritability for many more traits and psychological illnesses. You can question this if you want, but if you do, be aware, that you basically question an entire field of science, so be careful.
Yep. It decreases crime and increases safety, at the cost of possibly offending a few black studies' professors.
I'm not just talking about Blacks. East Asians tend to be much less violent than whites, and I would have much less of a problem with East Asians migrating to Germany, than with Sub Saharan Africans. In conclusion, you bore me, provide some sources, that evolution stopped above the neck please.
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05.12.2018 - 02:21
you really are fucking dumb aren't you? 1. https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png i never disagreed iq differences existed by country. i told you that this was because of the flynn effect. notice how poor countries have lower iq than the others? 2.https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/richard-lynn-and-the-evolution-of-conscientiousness.pdf lol, unironically citing richard lynn hahahahahahahhahaha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn#Criticism oh wait, its the liberal media and the jews that are just blinding people from seeing the truth, right? 3.https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/06/11/racial-differences-in-self-control/ don't come here a fucking quote an article from the alternative hypothesis. it's literal fake news run by some retarded alt right jack off. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Faulk 4. are you even fucking reading what i am saying? do you have no critical thinking abilities? do you not read these fucking studies? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8444771 "The pattern of results raised the question of a possible referral bias, with blacks shunted to the psychiatric facility with lower levels of standard clinical psychopathology, but higher levels of social oppositional behavior. Further research is needed to verify if such a bias does exist." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2747367/ "these findings suggest that group differences in delinquent behavior arise either from differences in exposure to peer relationship risk factors or from experiences outside the peer domain. " "Delinquent and antisocial behavior is multiply determined. For example, in their model of the development of chronic conduct problems in adolescence, Dodge and Pettit (2003) note the importance of biological predispositions, sociocultural context, parenting, peer relationships, and mental processes to the development and maintenance of antisocial behavior." "Correlations among constructs were not found to vary across groups and person-centered analyses failed to find evidence of group differences in developmental processes linking peer relationship experiences and delinquent behavior problems." i think you are having a hard time understanding english, so let me explain very briefly. delinquent behavior is very tied into socioeconomic status. this whole time, you've been claiming that blacks are genetically more aggressive, yet this study never states that biology is the only determining factor. you are taking these fucking studies so out of context to fit your narrative. it's not a big fucking surprise when blacks commit more crime in the us. everyone already fucking knows it. you jumping on to the race realism train and claiming that blacks are biologically more aggressive than other "races" while never considering the fact that there might be other factors involved shows how utterly fucking stupid you are my dude. when i told you "give me a source." i meant a study that concludes that blacks are biologically more violent. stop side stepping out of these questions and linking me fucking garbage you weasel. This one is almost perfect, but it unfortunately only talks about blacks and Hispanics, but can you guess which group is less agressive? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383599/ "Several theoretical frameworks provide insight on the rationale behind racial and ethnic differences in the predictors of aggression. First, social learning theory suggests that adolescents learn deviant behavior from peers and parents.11 Peer drug and alcohol use has been significantly related to individual-level alcohol and drug use,12 and drug use has consistently been linked with aggression.13 Parental bonding and monitoring has been shown to decrease behavioral problems among adolescents, including alcohol, drug use and violent behavior.14 Similarly, parental drug use has been associated with adolescent drug use and risk behavior.14 At the community level, Shaw and McKay15 suggest that the lack of social control in disadvantaged neighborhoods allows crime to multiply. At the community level, the density of alcohol outlets and perceived number of adults who consume alcohol in the home appear to be indicators of community risk." wow! so fucking wow my dude! it's like what i said previously matches exactly what the study says! 5. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2018/08/10/on-non-white-republicans/ yes.... cites alternative hypothesis and tells me you are on the side of science... brilliant my dude.... 6. https://business.financialpost.com/executive/careers/the-biggest-predictor-of-career-success-not-skills-or-education-but-emotional-intelligence this doesn't discredit the reliability of skills or education, it just talks about emotional intelligence being a predictor of career success... i mean it says this on the title of the article... wtf and what does giving people an IQ test have to do with EQ... a-a-a-are y-you i-i-i-i-literate???
oh, okay. so hypothetically, you would be ok if half of germany became black and those blacks perfectly assimilated into the culture?
again, i never denied the existence of heritability. i asked you for a source that says the majority of the black population have an "aggression" gene dawg. you tell me something everyone already knows and weasel out.
i don't want to talk about this. you and i have a fundamental disagreement on human rights.
lol, but whites are more creative than asians right
you are the one making these outrageous claims that no respectable scientist or science organization makes and you're asking me for the source? how about you give me some actual fucking sources and not dog shit from the alternative hypothesis. oh and btw, make sure to read the fucking sources like i said before.
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05.12.2018 - 02:48
You seem to enjoy quoting some authors conclusions, so let me tell you about critical thinking. If you were capable of it, what you would be doing, would be looking at the data table and coming to your own conclusions. Reading the abstract or the conclusion alone tells you nothing, the data table tells you almost everything the researchers themselves found out. All of these studies showed clear racial trends in all of the traits examined. You know what happens to people who write a study that comes to the conclusions you tell me you want me to find a study to come to? They are called a racist like Richard Lynn. And if I quote someone who literally only presents data, who's aligned with my opinions? You call em a racist. Thats what ya do. You expect me to find someone, who comes to """racist""" conclusions whom you'd instantly consider a racist, while being someone you don't consider a racist. Nice circular logic you got going there for ya. You make claims about Ryan Faulk by the way, tell me, what does he say that is wrong? Come on, you seem to believe he is the literal devil, so, you should be capable of refuting one of his articles using some actual sources. Look, let me give you a quick rundown of the people who agree with me on race: every US president before JFK, Every scientist in China and 50% of the scientists in eastern Europe, every person that came into contact with another race before 1950, except for a band of soviet lunatics called the Lysenkoists, who pretty much believed what you believe nowadays. Just give me a source that shows, that all human races are the same in the brain, if it's as blatantly obvious as you seem to assume, just show me a source, a single one, or just kill yourself.
If they psychologically were indistinguishable from a German, sure, why not? Although I have to admit, that I find caucasian women more aesthetically pleasing, don't like me none of that black booty.
Funnily enough, such a gene might exist. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/29/does-the-human-warrior-gene-make-violent-criminals-and-what-should-society-do/ Granted, it's only present in 13.5% of blacks, but it does cause a pretty significant racial difference in violence.
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05.12.2018 - 04:56
so let's get this straight. you think your own pathetic data analysis is superior than that of thousands of scientists? richard lynn is literally criticized for misrepresenting data and being funded by a very questionable foundation, the pioneer fund. Lynn's review work on global racial differences in cognitive ability has been cited for misrepresenting the research of other scientists, and has been criticised for unsystematic methodology and distortion. From 2002 until his death in October 2012, the fund was headed by psychology professor J. Philippe Rushton. The fund states that it focuses on projects it perceives will not be easily funded due to controversial subject matter. As of October 2013, Richard Lynn is the primary contact for Pioneer Fund.[5] The 1937 incorporation documents of the Pioneer Fund list two purposes. The first, modeled on the Nazi Lebensborn breeding program,[14] was aimed at encouraging the propagation of those "descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original thirteen states prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States and/or from related stocks, or to classes of children, the majority of whom are deemed to be so descended". Its second purpose was to support academic research and the "dissemination of information, into the 'problem of heredity and eugenics'" and "the problems of race betterment".[13] The Pioneer Fund argues the "race betterment" has always referred to the "human race" referred to earlier in the sentence, and critics argue it referred to racial groups. The document was amended in 1985 and the phrase changed to "human race betterment." yes, we love ryan "the jews control the media" faulk, don't we? http://archive.is/uDuAJ http://archive.is/Ib5JK http://archive.is/KhpK8
yeah, i'm sure before the 1950, people were able to map the genome and had a good enough of an understanding on genes to conclude that negroids were subhuman. didn't we already go through this? the study about scientists in china and europe explained that the one's who did believe in race was because they were less educated...
i just don't understand why i have to give a source. there are no specific studies because it's common sense and is literally in scientific literature. all the things i have said is accepted science. all credible science organizations have aligned with what i have said. no one will ever make a study like that because the premise of making a study questioning racial differences in the brain is fucking stupid and non biological. you are making the claim that every respectable scientist disagrees with. why don't you provide the sources retard. you have barely any knowledge about genetics and statistics, yet you make these absurd claims through your layman interpretations of the data. why the fuck do you think statisticians do 4 years of schooling to get a degree?
then it's not the majority is it? again, stop weaseling out like a little bitch and show me that the majority of blacks have a gene that makes them have higher aggression, lower IQ, higher aggressiveness, lower conscientiousness and a lower ability to delay gratification. i hope everyone reads this thread and laughs at your pathetic claims of race realism and realizes how much of a fucking retard you are being right now.
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05.12.2018 - 05:14
Show me then, any data, that suggests all races are the same in the brain, god dammit, show me the scientific literature you're talking about. I wont read anything you write anymore from now on, until you post one fucking source. Show me something that proves, that the majority of scientists disagree with the notion that evolution didn't stop above the neck. All you're doing is critizising my data, while providing none of your own. For all I know, you could have just shat over your keyboard with the same result.
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05.12.2018 - 05:27
RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. NO EDUCATED SCIENTIST WILL EVER MAKE BIOLOGICAL STUDY ON THE PHYSICAL BRAIN DIFFERENCE OF RACES BECAUSE ITS A WASTE OF FUCKING MONEY AND IS USELESS I TOLD YOU ALL CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC FOUNDATIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW THE STUDY YOU CITED ABOUT THE CHINESE AND EASTERN EUROPEAN SCIENTISTS LITERALLY CONCLUDED THAT THOSE COUNTRIES HAD TERRIBLE EDUCATION READ A FUCKING BOOK. YOU ARE GIVING ME THE SOURCES THAT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS OR HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FUCKING POINT. HOLY SHIT HOW CAN SOMEONE BE SO FUCKING HARD HEADED https://www.nature.com/articles/ng1435 https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biopolitical-times/race-and-iq-yet-again
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05.12.2018 - 05:28
You keep saying "Same in the brain" as if that's supposed to prove anything. Brain volume and shape is not a measure of intelligence. Males and females test the same intelligence wise despite females having smaller volume brains comparatively to males. Before we "prove blacks and whites are same in the brain" Why dont YOU prove the significance of such a thing? All you're doing is creating a cause for speculation.
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05.12.2018 - 05:34
DO YOU WANT MORE RETARD https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/phc3.12468 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201210/personality-intelligence-and-race-realism
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05.12.2018 - 06:00
So, it appears as if you just looked at the titles and thought, that these articles would btfo me. Well, they don't. First of all, they just are some random writeup and a random article from people with degrees, so, not any studies or anything, just the opinions of 2 researchers. I could just dismiss them on that ground alone. But the first one argues, that race, as a concept, might be somewhat inaccurate. Thats true, but it doesn't invalidate, that people whose ancestors lived in different environments nowadays could differ in anything, including their psychology. The second one doesn't claim, that race and intelligence aren't correlated and he doesn't claim, that race and conscientiousness aren't correlated, because spoiler: they are. but merely, that these two aren't correlated, and something about dysgenic effects that some hereditarians believe happened. In conclusion, you're full of shit.
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05.12.2018 - 06:05
Look, all I'm saying is: they are different, therefore, to preserve the diversity of having all kinds of brains and psychologies, we should preserve the different peoples in different parts of the world. Between women and men, there are some pretty significant differences in kinds of intelligence and a lot of psychological variables. Its the same with the races. You agree with me, thank you, finally you get it!
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05.12.2018 - 06:08
Why preserve? Aren't you in favor of natural selection? If you're weak you die out simple.
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05.12.2018 - 06:13
Nah, I don't believe in social darwinism. I like having many different cultures and societies around the world. Makes the world a better place.
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05.12.2018 - 06:18
i really dont care dude. i linked random articles from the first page of google because frankly, i didnt expect you to read things and because i dont think anything i say will change your mind at the moment. maybe when you start going out, meeting more people and grow out of your edgy alt right phase, you will understand how much of a retard you were.
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05.12.2018 - 06:18
So you're in favor of allowing detrimental recessive traits to plague humanity? K explains everything.
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